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Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Generating the reasons for movement

I have been giving a lot of thought to how I plan to generate the consists of trains that arrive from staging to the main station area and are then shunted to the various industries or "made up" marshalled into a branchline train and then go about there journey.
 X2010 that travelled with the train to its destination

Having shunted trains myself 13 odd years ago to various lists and made up trains and completed X2010 forms, it is easy to make up a train that "someone else " has already generated.

 shunters receive this fax requesting wagons

We would then use lists complied by the last shift to collect the empty and in some cases reloaded wagons to form the train, in this case BW4.

shunters made lists to be done and also where wagons were in their yard

Trains that arrived were then shunted out using the details on the X2010.

computer generated X2010 and marked up ready to shunt the consist

The requirement of the X2010 seems to have changed little over time from the research I have done.
memo sent to operational staff

The above forms are from various time frames and taken from my huge collection of actual paperwork that was used in day to day train running operations.
As you can see there is plenty of paperwork in those 4 pages to generate traffic flow. It will be fairly simple to make the first list but will then become harder and harder to create variety. Or will it!!!!!

My question is, I am interested to find out what systems those of you with an operational layout use to generate train lists but also shunting lists (switch lists). I am not interested in car cards like I referred to a few blogs ago, although cards are placed on wagons for the number taker, I think I will just go with a X2010.

Anyway enough of my ramblings, your thoughts please.


  1. Bylong uses a modified X2010 form; I found one in Waterfall yard back in the late 1960's but it had oil on it. Many years later I recreated it for use in operations on Bylong.

    A link to my X2010 can be found on my blog at the bottom of the May 2009 BYLONG Operation Night post.

    I use it to make up suitable UP and DOWN Pick Up goods and the Cassilis Branch goods consists. These are varied after a while so that the shunters don't get used to them. Of course the wagons in the consist have to match the available sidings and potential goods to be delivered or picked up along the line.

    The wagons on and off the branch are dropped of or picked up at Wollar by the appropriate Pick Up goods.

    Ray P

  2. What i have done is created a number of arrival sheets each having the wagon codes and their destinations. For example, Arrival No.1 which maps to say Train No. 99, may have the following requirement for B vans: one is destined to the shed, 1 is for train number 63 (which means this wagon needs to come off and shunted for another train), and all other B vans (if they are any more on this train) stay on. Similarly, for VLXs, RYs, GYs, I wagons, etc etc. E.g. two GYs also need to come off this train and be shunted to an industry or sent on a Roadside goods which will arrive later. I have all the wagon codes in one column and their "destination" in another for each arrival. The destination columns can be physical (e.g. goods shed) or logical e.g. other train numbers. I have looked at it from a wagon point of view rather than from a train point of view.
    The next arrival (Arrival 2) which maps to e.g. Train No 35 (a down fast goods), may require the last two wagons to be dropped off at the Goods Shed and to pick up the B van that was dropped off by No.99.
    Seems to add alot of randomness and hence variety and is easy to do. T

  3. Do you have anymore of the X2010 during the early 90s which I can look at Darren? Quite interesting reading those.

  4. Ray and Shelton thank you so much for taking the time to reply. You have some very great ideas. Darren

  5. Hey Darren, I just finished reading this post and the comments from the gents. As far as I know in a very basic uninformed way the x2010's seem to be a great way to get things going in a pro typical way. I found it interesting in the first one that the order of the wagons was not in the order of their placement at the sidings at different locations. Did this happen normally? If it was a random listing as the needs of the different rail users came about, it would definitely make for some interesting shunting operations, in that you would have to really look at the form and understand what it was actually asking you to do, rather than a step by step list. It would mix things up well if it only happened occasionally.

    The x2010 would take some time to fill out with the details of the wagon adding to the research that you'd need to do to complete it, it would be another addition in immersing yourself into your railway, really adding an extra dimension. I really like them, and have enjoyed seeing how you are approaching it, so far.

    Thanks for this post Daz, the research and the realism it adds is certainly worth the effort I think. I look forward to the next post!

  6. Darren A bit of a late reply. Somewhere in one of my folders I have a train consist teleprint out of a couple of train consists that I worked from PTK to Moss Vale. These are a cut down version of an X2010, (& a thanks to Ray Pilgrim for a copy of one.

    The teleprint form is what I will be working on for the layout in operating sessions, the thing is that instead of trying to number all wagons as per the real operations had, for modelling purposes that really is out of the question unless one wants to renumber all items of R/S to prevent number duplication.

    I will try to post a copy of the teleprint consist on my blog, also a short stint on the marshalling of pick up trains.

    Like yourself I do not like the car card method & much prefer the consist setup.

  7. Many thanks gents, Colin never to late to offer feedback. I will look for your update. Darren